I also have been thinking about the way that systems engineers promote themselves, often with what I perceive as an overly important role. To stay focused on a realistic standing, I've taken a broadly holistic view (because "systems engineer") and found this:\\
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I'm sure someone (or everyone) could expand the Engineered SoS ring to show how important systems engineering is to the **Engineered SoS** or how much we share in the **Engineered System** circle.//
I'd be interested in seeing it.\\